Advice Request
               by Green Onions, September 1994


I have received a few favorable responses from my article
"Combination of the Two" (including one person who says he has
had a similar experience).  I originally wrote the following a
couple of weeks ago, but I didn't have the guts to post it.  It's
integrated with a request for advice.

Last night, my wife and I were fucking and sucking away as we
often do.  I usually drink lots of water about a half an hour
before seducing her now in order to maximize our enjoyment (a
full bladder makes me harder and hornier).  This time, however, I
had neglected to do that and I was only able to sneak in a glass
before we started.  

We had gone through our usual routine of extensive foreplay and
we ended up going at it doggie-style.  I was finding it difficult
to maintain the proper angle (her pussy lips are quite sensitive
and need a lot of attention).  So I pulled out of her and kneeled
so that she could sit on my cock and thighs.  This seemed like a
good solution because she started squirting a little bit onto my
legs.  I also prefer this to regular doggie-style because I can
more easily reach around and masturbate her while we fuck.  She
has little or no resistance to this and creamed all over both of
us in practically no time.

I knew she was tired then but I was really hot so I asked her to
kiss me while I masturbated.  She likes to watch me do it now,
especially after she's been thoroughly fucked.  Sometimes she'll
even lick my head clean of pre-cum, but mostly she just likes to
watch while I shoot.  This time she assisted by licking my ears
and then my nipples.  I wrapped my legs around one of her thighs
and rubbed myself on her soft tummy.  Then I licked between her
rich breasts and tit-fucked her.  She gently squeezed my balls
while I came all over her.  I wanted to lick it off and then kiss
her, but I realized that I hadn't sucked her pussy yet, so I just
cleaned her up with some tissues (I use a condom when we fuck and
try to be pretty careful about accidentally getting her
pregnant).

We took a short break and I went to the kitchen for a slice of
some of my intense devil's food cake.  She is watching her
weight, so she didn't want a piece for herself, but I cut an
extra big one because I knew she'd take some of mine if I fed it
to her.  Sugar is hardly the best thing for sex in large
quantities (it tends to make you too hyper) but a little in
between sessions can help get the juices flowing again.  I took
the opportunity to throw down another glass of water when I was
in the kitchen and I knew I could have peed a little bit if I had
wanted to.

After the cake, we were both ready for more and I was laying on
my side next to her and kissing her all over while I gently
separated her cunt lips with my fingers.  I felt a little more
pressure in my bladder now and I wasn't hard yet.  I thought it
would be interesting if I could "accidentally" let a little pee
out onto her belly while I did this.  I strained for a while but
I just couldn't let go.  "Oh hell," I thought to myself, "I am
never going to get this W/S thing together."  

Having given up for the moment, I concentrated on raising her
sexual temperature.  I gently probed her ears with my thumbs and
rubbed my chest-hair over her nipples until they were completely
erect.  She was getting pretty hot again and I worked my way down
her body slowly but surely.  I started by tickling one of her
now-sweaty armpits with my tongue (she can't stand this, but
adores it too) as I left a trail of saliva across her ample
chest.  I sucked her nipples and licked between her big breasts
to get them thoroughly lubricated again.  Then I rubbed and
squeezed them together while I nibbled  on her neck.  Finally, I
gently probed and pinched her inner thighs as I worked my tongue
down her soft belly.

I stopped briefly in my journey to rim her generous navel and
then thrust my tongue into it as far as it could go.  But my
final destination was her soaking pussy.  She shivered as I
licked her fat lips and tickled her clit with my nose.  Her
pungent aroma told me that she was really ready for my tongue,
but I moved down her leg and lifted one of her calves so I could
lick her toes and tickle the bottom of her feet.  She likes this
but it also embarrasses her (don't ask me why).  This time, I was
delighted to hear her squeal in an especially vehement manner. 
Ostensibly, this was because I was tickling her but I knew I had
attained my objective of frustrating her.  She is still new to
oral sex and I want her to enjoy it as much as possible, so I
often abandon her sopping cunt only to return shortly afterwards
when she is even wetter.

When I moved back into position I sucked a lot of her juices out,
combined them with my saliva and then expelled the mixture back
into her cunt (a form of `peeing').  I find that doing this
several times serves to greatly increase the volume of liquid in
her pussy just as soul-kissing seems to generate much more
saliva.  It also tickles her clitoris and provides her with a
very warm and wet sensation that turns us both on.  I massaged
and squeezed her plump buttocks simultaneously.  She needed just
a few minutes of this before her thighs were gripping my head as
she undulated to a powerful orgasm.  I licked my chops afterwards
in satisfaction because she had gotten a lot of her cream on my
face.

We relaxed again and shared a cigarette.  I kissed her tenderly
for a bit and then stuck my tongue all the way in her mouth.  I
thought she might want to fuck some more, but she said she was
done.  So I told her I wanted to cum again and she suggested that
I read her a story out of one of the Nancy Friday books while she
masturbated me.  This often heats both of us up even after we've
gone at it like horses.  Today was no exception.

She masturbated me until I was semi-hard and I asked her if she
would suck me.  She usually leans over me to do this while I lay
flat, but this time I wanted to be on top of her and so I moved
myself into position over her mouth.  I put my foot between her
inner thighs so I could rub it against her drenched crotch and
she started fingering herself. 

Now I asked her to suck me primarily because I wanted to cum in
her mouth.  But since I had been trying unsuccessfully to pee
earlier, I figured I might as well give it one more shot just to
see what happens (I expected that my efforts would again be
futile).  To my utter astonishment, gravity and the warm, wet
sensation of being in her mouth provided the necessary
inspiration and I was able to pee with very little effort.  I
could have really flooded her, but since I am trying to persuade
her to get into it, I thought that might be too much.  I don't
know exactly how much pee I succeeded in releasing, but I think
it was roughly comparable to the amount of semen in a typical
orgasm or maybe a bit more.  It was a _wonderful_ feeling,
perhaps even better than cuming.

I think she likes it now when I cum in her mouth and I was sure
that's what she thought I had done because she was so focused on
bringing herself off.  She started squirming a lot more after I
moved off her face.  I soul-kissed her for a while so I could
taste the fruits of my labor while she brought herself off with
her hand.  Once I was sure she was going to climax, I moved down
to watch what she was doing.  She was alternating between
spreading her lips and then bringing them back together to
squeeze her clit (I noted this carefully so I could mimic the
action next time with my hands or my mouth).

Afterwards, she said she was surprised that I had been able to
cum without being completely hard, and I (with considerable
trepidation) told her the truth.  This confirmed my suspicion
that she had been so excited that she hadn't noticed the
difference, although I could defiantly taste it faintly when I
put my tongue in her mouth.  What surprised me even more is that
I had peed while her lips were circled around my cock.  Prior to
this experience, I thought that was only for W/S "experts".

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Now here comes my request for some advice.  I have dutifully
followed the suggestions in the W/S manual that was posted here a
while ago (many kudos to the author).  It has some good ideas for
involving/converting one's SO.  One strategy is for a man to ask
his partner to aim his prick while he pees in the toilet.  We had
done this a couple of times before.  After I confessed that I
urinated in her mouth I asked her whether she wanted me to do it
again sometime and she said that she didn't (she seemed
indifferent rather than turned off).  

So I then asked her if she would come into the bathroom and hold
my cock while I peed.  She agreed and this time I made a big
point of tenderly kissing and stroking her while I did it (I was
tempted to "accidentally" piss on her, but I figured that would
be really pushing my luck!).  What I _did_ do is ask her if I
could watch _her_ pee sometime and I was delighted when she
responded affirmatively.  She seemed indifferent to this as if
she was agreeing to please me, but this is also how she used to
behave when I was first encouraging her to do oral sex.  I think
it's pretty difficult for women with conservative backgrounds to
be enthusiastic about some of these things until they get used to
the idea, so one has to move slowly and patiently.  Still, the
``distance'' between fucking and oral sex seems a lot shorter
than the gap between oral sex and W/S.

So here's the advice I want.  What should I do when she lets me
watch her pee? Of course I will wait for the next time she
excuses herself to do it when we are having sex, so she is as hot
as possible.  Here are several possibilities and my (humble)
opinion on each:

1. I could lick her pussy, finger her, or try to fuck her while
   she slouches back on the toilet.  Of course any of those
   things would excite me tremendously, but since she is new to
   it, she may not be able to pee and/or may not agree to it. 
   Seems like a bit much for a first time, doesn't it?

2. I could fondle her a lot--suck her plump breasts, lick her
   armpits, soul-kiss her, and so on.  This is relatively safe: I
   think she would agree to it and that she would be able to pee
   while doing it.

3. I could have her suck me while I caressed her upper body.  This is in
   between the first two possibilities in both respects.  There
   is both a good likelihood that she would agree to it and that
   she would be able to pee while she does it.  I think she is an
   unusual woman in that she seems to enjoy sucking cock.  This
   last option seems like a nice balance between what is hot and
   what is feasible.

Though the third choice is tempting, I am leaning towards the
second option because it is most conservative and I don't want to
overplay my hand.  After two or three experiences with this,
maybe I could up the ante and go for one of the others.

I'd like to hear other views on this, particularly from those of
you who have been converted or who have converted their partners.
Of course I realize that everyone is different and that what
works for one person may fail miserably for another.  But I've
learned a lot from the W/S manual and this group, and I hope that
I can learn more.